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Re: Serious Random stuff thread of political jibberish
« Reply #60 on: December 17, 2011, 10:36:08 AM »
Why the fuck are people still clinging on to the hoax that Ahmadinejad said 'Israel should be wiped off the Earth', he said something completely different about Israel and it's just been blown out of context.
Like everything regarding Israel ? :coolbiden:

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Re: Serious Random stuff thread of political jibberish
« Reply #61 on: December 17, 2011, 10:48:41 AM »
Well yeah :joebiden: I'm not defending completely Ahmadinejad though, some of the stuff he comes up with really doesn't do him any favours...

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Re: Serious Random stuff thread of political jibberish
« Reply #62 on: December 17, 2011, 11:12:15 AM »
Anymore to that? Nice to hear someone speaking sense in American politics for once. Why the fuck are people still clinging on to the hoax that Ahmadinejad said 'Israel should be wiped off the Earth', he said something completely different about Israel and it's just been blown out of context.

To be fair, he really only speaks sense on foreign policy. He's quite literally a 'fuck social safety nets fuck healthcare fuck you environment fuck you minorities discrimination is the best thing ever because it's the free market' type domestically.

And it depends on what you mean by 'that.'

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Re: Serious Random stuff thread of political jibberish
« Reply #63 on: December 17, 2011, 11:53:21 AM »
By that, I meant anymore footage before I saw the other videos on YT about it, nm. God help your country if Bachmann was ever elected...

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Re: Serious Random stuff thread of political jibberish
« Reply #64 on: December 17, 2011, 11:54:56 AM »
By that, I meant anymore footage before I saw the other videos on YT about it, nm. God help your country if Bachmann was ever elected...

I'll add 'any of them' to that. Though with the house/senate as fucked as they are, the president being the most psychotic person in a century by a wide margin is a lesser issue, shockingly.

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Re: Serious Random stuff thread of political jibberish
« Reply #65 on: December 17, 2011, 12:51:12 PM »
Another person once said... Get the fuck out.
Yeah but nah, I like it here.
Ah?

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Re: Serious Random stuff thread of political jibberish
« Reply #66 on: December 19, 2011, 02:16:45 AM »
Kim Jong Il has died now.

His son takes the trhone formally, what the fuck is that country anyway? some sort of fucked up communist monarchy with communist feudalism or something? Even though South Korea pre-emptively has set up their military for a potential "throne war" in nort korea, it's hard to see them as the bad guys in this case. Seriously, fuck north korea.

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Re: Serious Random stuff thread of political jibberish
« Reply #67 on: December 19, 2011, 06:11:25 AM »
☑ Kim Jong Il ☑ Khaddafi ☑ Osama Bin Laden ☑ Saddam Hussein ☐ Internet Explorer

Internet Explorer kicks ass and nerds only h8 on it because it's the trendy thing to do (5 years ago).  :sagan:

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Re: Serious Random stuff thread of political jibberish
« Reply #68 on: December 19, 2011, 07:37:24 AM »
believe u, my dad uses it he says everything else is viruses nd i believe him!!

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Re: Serious Random stuff thread of political jibberish
« Reply #69 on: December 19, 2011, 08:52:52 AM »
☑ Kim Jong Il ☑ Khaddafi ☑ Osama Bin Laden ☑ Saddam Hussein ☐ Internet Explorer

http://kimjongillookingatthings.tumblr.com/

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Re: Serious Random stuff thread of political jibberish
« Reply #71 on: December 19, 2011, 12:31:39 PM »
he's the only one running who has an even remotely sane foreign policy

True that nigga.
I like how he doesn't let his religion overly influence his policies (at least compared to the other Republican candidates).

horrible economic/domestic policies

I like the idea of legalizing drugs but beyond that.. we don't see eye to eye very often.


he's the only one running who has an even remotely sane foreign policy

True that nigga.
I like how he doesn't let his religion overly influence his policies (at least compared to the other Republican candidates).

horrible economic/domestic policies

I like the idea of legalizing drugs but beyond that.. we don't see eye to eye very often.

Alexandra, could you find the time/energy to describe your ideal economic policies / government? Or anyone else here really, you just seem to have the strongest opinion out of everyone.
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Re: Serious Random stuff thread of political jibberish
« Reply #72 on: December 19, 2011, 12:57:32 PM »
Alexandra, could you find the time/energy to describe your ideal economic policies / government? Or anyone else here really, you just seem to have the strongest opinion out of everyone.

I'm a bit busy atm, but here's a quick little derpderp to get the gist out:



Usually when I go to grab a political compass image of myself, I'm a few points more authoritarian, but apparently not today.

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Re: Serious Random stuff thread of political jibberish
« Reply #73 on: December 19, 2011, 01:11:32 PM »
What, can you measure that on some spergy ass generalised questionnaire site?

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Re: Serious Random stuff thread of political jibberish
« Reply #74 on: December 19, 2011, 01:14:35 PM »
What, can you measure that on some spergy ass generalised questionnaire site?

Yeah, but it's decent enough (read: it has some actual methodology behind it compared to WUT CHARACTER R U 'quizes') for a quick illustration of where I stand on the left/right and authoritarian/libertarian scales.

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Re: Serious Random stuff thread of political jibberish
« Reply #75 on: December 19, 2011, 01:17:31 PM »
Usually when I go to grab a political compass image of myself, I'm a few points more authoritarian, but apparently not today.

I've always been closer to libertarian than authoritarian. Never been far on the left or right side of the spectrum. Closer to the middle than ever today though. Some of the questions are hard to decide on but meh.



Yeah, but it's decent enough (read: it has some actual methodology behind it compared to WUT CHARACTER R U 'quizes') for a quick illustration of where I stand on the left/right and authoritarian/libertarian scales.

Beat me to it.

e/ From my brief reading on neoliberalism, it sounds nice but I really dunno what I'm talking about. Anyone here knowledgeable on the subject?

I like these points mostly.

  • Fiscal policy Governments should not run large deficits that have to be paid back by future citizens, and such deficits can only have a short term effect on the level of employment in the economy. Constant deficits will lead to higher inflation and lower productivity, and should be avoided. Deficits should only be used for occasional stabilization purposes.
  • Tax reform– broadening the tax base and adopting moderate marginal tax rates to encourage innovation and efficiency;
    Trade liberalization – liberalization of imports, with particular emphasis on elimination of quantitative restrictions (licensing, etc.); any trade protection to be provided by low and relatively uniform tariffs; thus encouraging competition and long term growth
  • Deregulation – abolition of regulations that impede market entry or restrict competition, except for those justified on safety, environmental and consumer protection grounds, and prudent oversight of financial institutions;
    Legal security for property rights

The argument I've always heard against competition is that "perfect competition can't maintain itself". How and why?

I'm pretty on the fence about most of these, mostly due to lack of knowledge on the positives / negatives.

  • Redirection of public spending from subsidies (especially what neoliberals call "indiscriminate subsidies") and other spending neoliberals deem wasteful toward broad-based provision of key pro-growth, pro-poor services like primary education, primary health care and infrastructure investment
  • Interest rates that are market determined and positive (but moderate) in real terms;
  • Floating exchange rates
  • Financialisation of capital

  • Privatization of state enterprises; Promoting market provision of goods and services which the government cannot provide as effectively or efficiently, such as telecommunications, where having many service providers promotes choice and competition.

That sounds brilliant, but I might be wrong?

Not sure about this last one either, unless you're going for a "world economy" sort of thing.

  • Liberalization of the "capital account" of the balance of payments, that is, allowing people the opportunity to invest funds overseas and allowing foreign funds to be invested in the home country
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Re: Serious Random stuff thread of political jibberish
« Reply #76 on: December 19, 2011, 01:48:39 PM »
aight niggas not sure if this is very much how I feel at all but w/e

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Re: Serious Random stuff thread of political jibberish
« Reply #77 on: December 19, 2011, 02:25:07 PM »

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Re: Serious Random stuff thread of political jibberish
« Reply #78 on: December 19, 2011, 02:43:23 PM »
Everybody needs to do this, it's getting to be more like some facebook test thing by the minute. :sagan:

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Re: Serious Random stuff thread of political jibberish
« Reply #79 on: December 19, 2011, 05:13:47 PM »
To be honest I've no idea where I am on that chart, I'm more interested in the politics of world conflicts rather than politics in general. I voted tory at the last election simply because I wanted Brown out and the Lib Dems are pro Euro-zone which I want nothing to do with.

Kim Jong Il has died now.

His son takes the trhone formally, what the fuck is that country anyway? some sort of fucked up communist monarchy with communist feudalism or something? Even though South Korea pre-emptively has set up their military for a potential "throne war" in nort korea, it's hard to see them as the bad guys in this case. Seriously, fuck north korea.

Korea was under Japanese authority for over 30 years until the end of WWII, then the soviet union invaded the Northern end of Korea but were stopped half-way by the US forces in the South. Most Koreans that had resisted the Japanese favoured the communist's ideas of colonialism and imperialism, the rest were backed by the US goverment and the divisions were made into South and North. Obviously because of the very different political regimes tensions were high and then NK invaded the south and war broke out.. in a very small nutshell that's why NK is a very different entity to SK.

North Korea probably isn't that bad as our media makes it out to be, it's just because it's a communist country the west gives it grief. Communism isn't all doom and gloom.. Tito's Yugoslavia proved that it could work to surpress nationalism and unite all ethnic groups and religions... for 50 years.

[edit]Although over a million dead because of famine created by bad decisions isn't exactly the best poster card for a country to live in...
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Re: Serious Random stuff thread of political jibberish
« Reply #80 on: December 20, 2011, 01:01:25 AM »
Since everybody is doing it now:
Ah?

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Re: Serious Random stuff thread of political jibberish
« Reply #81 on: December 20, 2011, 01:24:47 AM »
Yeah fun with charts, link ?

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Re: Serious Random stuff thread of political jibberish
« Reply #83 on: December 20, 2011, 01:50:30 AM »
Oh wow you're all communist libs.

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Re: Serious Random stuff thread of political jibberish
« Reply #84 on: December 20, 2011, 02:02:26 AM »
This bloody thing is biased on so many levels

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Re: Serious Random stuff thread of political jibberish
« Reply #85 on: December 20, 2011, 05:19:36 AM »
I think I ended up where I ended up because almost half of the questions were about big businesses and unethical practices of business, and that's mainly stuff I either don't care about or absolutely loathe, at the same time religion in politics which is something I'm really concerned about had like four questions in total and all of them weird as hell.

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Re: Serious Random stuff thread of political jibberish
« Reply #86 on: December 20, 2011, 06:02:42 AM »
I think I ended up where I ended up because almost half of the questions were about big businesses and unethical practices of business, and that's mainly stuff I either don't care about or absolutely loathe, at the same time religion in politics which is something I'm really concerned about had like four questions in total and all of them weird as hell.
Not only that but the question themself look at this one :
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Governments should penalise businesses that mislead the public.
If you have two bits of logic you have to strongly disagree with this one, yes misleading businesses should be penalised, but it's the responsibility of the law, not the duty of the government. But the anwser 'strongly disagree' doesn't help you indicate that, and I'm sure the whole test will judge you as being on the right side. And it's even more subtle on other questions
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Re: Serious Random stuff thread of political jibberish
« Reply #87 on: December 20, 2011, 06:47:25 AM »
Government death troops to terminate unethical businesses!

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Re: Serious Random stuff thread of political jibberish
« Reply #88 on: December 20, 2011, 06:54:33 AM »
Government death troops to terminate unethical businesses!
Boom headshot,  I'm SO ethical!

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Re: Serious Random stuff thread of political jibberish
« Reply #89 on: December 27, 2011, 06:40:05 PM »
http://rt.com/news/syria-observers-civilians-insurgents-707/

Good article, nice example of how to execute propaganda, 5000 people killed in Syria.. but wait.. 2000 of those are security forces/soldiers and then there are the armed gangs. No doubt civilians have been killed but not to the extent the media wants you to believe...

"One death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic."