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Re: Man's behaviours
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2011, 08:25:51 AM »
Why is the conclusion that normal guys who might read a "lad's" magazine are like rapists? Why is not that rapists talk like normal guys?

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Re: Man's behaviours
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2011, 10:32:57 AM »
The guy in the video didn't mind the talk in the magazines as long as sex eductation was made better. Which I think is reasonable.
Man-mags are a disgrace.

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Re: Man's behaviours
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2011, 10:34:36 AM »
Why is the conclusion that normal guys who might read a "lad's" magazine are like rapists? Why is not that rapists talk like normal guys?
Even if it's the case it does't mean everyone who speak/think like that is a rapist, just seems to point that it's a common behaviour

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Re: Man's behaviours
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2011, 04:25:44 PM »
This doesn't exactly surprise me. Magazines and other representable medium are tools to maintain gender roles. You'll see women's magazines explaining how to cook or how to look cute by tilting your head a certain way, while men to be more desirable by wearing certain deodorant or talking assertively. I just find it slightly awkward that people read this shit and think they understand crap about life at all. Rapists are people who don't readily understand boundaries and have other paraphiliac behaviors that are derived and molded at a much earlier age than adulthood magazine reading (under some criminological research I've read). All rapists have some distorted perspective of women, they just took an extra step and actually indulged into a seriously questionable felony. And that's what makes them different from the "Average Joe."

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Re: Man's behaviours
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2011, 04:54:54 PM »
It's not rape it's surp.... ok ok I'm sorry :joebiden:

I don't read any of the so called lads mags, I've read them in the past at work from other people... Nuts and Zoo are just pretty much porn with sport and rotten.com like additions of tales of how people survived really bad injuries with photos. The problem is sex sells... lots and as long as that is the case (ie forever...) then they will always be produced. You can compare to this kind of thing to anything... video-games and films can influence people who already have social interaction issues and mental instability... we've seen it plenty of times.

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Re: Man's behaviours
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2011, 07:32:27 PM »
What amazes me is that people haven't picked up on this before and that thusly it isn't being treated as a non-issue.

Quote from: The blurb from the article on the report
"These magazines support the legitimisation of sexist attitudes and behaviours and need to be more responsible about their portrayal of women, both in words and images. They give the appearance that sexism is acceptable and normal - when really it should be rejected and challenged. Rapists try to justify their actions, suggesting that women lead men on, or want sex even when they say no, and there is clearly something wrong when people feel the sort of language used in a lads’ mag could have come from a convicted rapist.”
Wow, that last sentence there - that's some article bias if I ever read it, and a run-on sentence.

Maybe that might be because only in Mary Jane land where everything's perfectly innocent does everyone only act with only political correctness and pure of heart and intentions, and never uses harsh tones or bad words. There's a correlation in phrase between Magazines primarily about promoting sex/sex-related-notsex/empowerment-by-sex/whatever-agenda-you-want-plus-sexy-womenormen with criminals who's primary modus operandi for conviction was non-consentual sex? Consider me hooked, Universities of Surrey and Middlesex, them Sterling pounds you recieve surely are well spent here.

Of course mens mags are going to glam up sexy magazine time, they're selling you magazine where suitably consenting women (unless the law is different in the UK and thusforth doesn't require the actor's consent for publication) and declothed to appease the reading men/women/dogs/FBI Agents and tittilate their sexual desires. Of course it's going to be sexist and trashy, it's playing to basist instinctual sexual sesitivities (ie, "Me am have sex because me am alpha male/female" ) .

[quoteauthor=Same Fucking article]
Psychologists presented men between the ages of 18 and 46 with a range of statements taken from magazines and from convicted rapists in the study, and gave the men different information about the source of the quotes. Men identified more with the comments made by rapists more   than the quotes made in lads’ mags, but men identified more with quotes said to have been drawn from lads’ mags more than those said to have been comments by convicted rapists.[/quote]
UofS, please proof your bloody articles, this bit is clearly badly written.If you're going to report on something, report concisely and accurately.  I don't want to have to pick up a psych degree and pay the subscription fee for the British Journal of Psychology just to find out exactly what DID happen in the research.

Also, HOSTILE Sexism? If we're talking about descrimination based on sex, that's kinda of adding an ULTRAblack to a black and white situation here, given any context shit's either sexist or it's not. Sure, you can add a tone of hostility to it, which speaks more to the defamation angle than discrimination, but the core sexism point is straight individual binary.  If someone says something to you that in someways makes implications based on gender, and you take some level of offence to it based on the context of your gender, that's sexism. If you don't, then it's not, and that's exactly how binary it is.
Also don't get me wrong, I'm all for minimising Sexism in conversation and general society, but I think Sexy-time is one last vestige where, depending on personal sexual preferences and such inclusive, sexism could be excused.

I dunno guys, I just wish that people would stop researching the blatantly obvious and putting a spin on it. I also wish the UK would stop putting up NoFun Allowed.JPG signs everywhere.

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Re: Man's behaviours
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2011, 02:07:30 AM »
Couldn't be bothered to read the article, but yeah correlation does not equal cause and effect. Shock horror: rapists speak the same language as you, you must be a rapist!

Saying one thing and doing it are two entirely different things.

Was this written by some mangy old feminist who hasn't had batman return to the batcave in a long time? I bet it was  :smile:

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I like the implication that people join the FBI just to read lads mags :V

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Re: Man's behaviours
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2011, 02:13:46 AM »
I, too, am man's behaviours.

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Re: Man's behaviours
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2011, 02:40:36 AM »
Couldn't be bothered to read the article, but yeah correlation does not equal cause and effect. Shock horror: rapists speak the same language as you, you must be a rapist!

Saying one thing and doing it are two entirely different things.

Was this written by some mangy old feminist who hasn't had batman return to the batcave in a long time? I bet it was  :smile:

It wasn't wath the article implied or tried to demonstrate,the whole point was about the way lad's mags and rapists think/speak of women, turns out it's pretty hard to make a difference, of course there is a difference between the two

I, too, am man's behaviours.
What did I said something wrong again ? 

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Re: Man's behaviours
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2011, 03:23:13 AM »
I, too, am man's behaviours.
What did I said something wrong again ? 

Nah, just poking fun in the 'I, too, am gay' sense. Tho it should be men's, not man's, but English is fucking retarded so lolwhogivesafuck.

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Re: Man's behaviours
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2011, 07:51:37 AM »
Was this written by some mangy old feminist who hasn't had batman return to the batcave in a long time? I bet it was  :smile:

Whoa alex, just whoa...

I think the article was going for something more profound than "rapists have sexist tendencies, so does porn!" And I think y'all are seeing sexism as a pretty binary thing, when it isn't really. What I gathered was the absurdly sexist attitudes of people that are completely messed up and rape people also come accross in the magazines that aren't intended for rapists only.

I propose we start a magazine for rapists! :keke: :keke: :keke:

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Re: Man's behaviours
« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2011, 01:33:27 AM »
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I like the implication that people join the FBI just to read lads mags :V
Wouldn't you?

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Re: Man's behaviours
« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2011, 04:31:50 AM »
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It's a bloody press release dude, a summary, the bloody research paper is proably 40 pages long or something
Also you don't have to live in wonderland to avoid women's being treated as bloody object, I too love to bond and gag my partners, doesn't mean I see them as things on a daily basis.
Point is rapists see women as things that don't have a choice in the matter of sex, their way of speaking and thinking express that, problem is at least some quotes of the most popular lag's mag express, as shown by the study, similar opinion on women.
Again having kinky sex is not the problem, the problem is how men see women in general

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Re: Man's behaviours
« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2011, 04:55:59 AM »
I agree
lag's mags.